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Picked up another Metro
Topic Started: Jan 13 2010, 07:43 PM (1,173 Views)
StevieC
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Hey guys.

Haven't been around much as the gear box finally gave way in the 4 cyl Metro. I was looking toward buying another from Sam, but just don't have the money right now - plus there's a host of other problems with it.

Sadly the van just recently gave up also. I had no choice but to find another vehicle. Then, on craigslist, I found a Geo Metro for $100 with a 3 cylinder and manual transmission.

Needless to say, I bought it. It's in better condition than my 4 cylinder, originally I was going to take parts off it but now I think I may just get it on the road.

Another plus - the head light circuitry works!! I've just cut the wires and started to wire in some relays... freaking sweet! It also has a radio antenna and the original radio. I'm very excited!

Other things I've noticed about it:

* The engine works, it has a slight tap. I had to have my friend's truck pull it and it started up in 3rd. It was very noisy, but I don't think it's been running for a while.
* The starter doesn't work. Unsure as yet if the starter is at fault or something else. However I did notice a suspicious wire hanging behind the engine that comes directly from the battery's positive feed (I think!). Has a ring connector on the end?
* It's a nice sunny sky shade of blue.

Tomorrow I'll be taking it to my friend's house to get it up in the air. We'll be welding any bad spots hopefully, and getting it road worthy.

Pics soon!

Steve.
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StevieC
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Oh - one more thing, the PTC fuse was blown. What does this power?
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Fireball 89
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2.4 Cylinders of Determination

StevieC-

Congratulations on your find. However, I see the symptoms of Geo Metro, pretty soon you'll be trying to cubbyhole parts cars/project cars in your yard. It always starts small, "Hey, it's only a $100 and it's in better condition than my other 4 Geo Metros...".

Edward
Edited by Fireball 89, Jan 13 2010, 10:23 PM.
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StevieC
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LOL. I hope not. The wife is already complaining about the vehicles there... we only have 3!!! Granted, they are all broken... but I'm not in denial
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StevieC
Jan 13 2010, 07:43 PM
* The starter doesn't work. Unsure as yet if the starter is at fault or something else. However I did notice a suspicious wire hanging behind the engine that comes directly from the battery's positive feed (I think!). Has a ring connector on the end?
Congratulations! :rocker

Is the solenoid hooked up? There is a ring connector that goes to the post of the Solenoid on the starter.

What year is this puppy?

Need a compression test real soon. :thumb

PTC is Positive Temperature Coefficient, check the wiring under the fuse box to see if it's OK.
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First thing you need to do is address that dangling wire near the starter. That's the only thing in the entire car that is NOT FUSED. If it happens to touch metal it will short the battery directly to ground and become an arc welder. Not only will the car cease running, it may very well cease to exist in a fiery blaze.

PTC, I imagine, stands for PowerTrain Control, but ignore that as it is horribly misnamed. The only thing that fuse does is run the EFE, Early Fuel Evaporation heater. This heater is a plate, sandwiched between the throttle body and the intake manifold, that heats up the incoming air/fuel charge for better mixing when the engine is cold. Either the heater itself is shorted, or the gasket below it has gone bad, allowing the heater circuit to short to ground. Remove it completely from the throttle body and the manifold to test it before buying a new one, replacement gaskets will be under ten dollars. It's $268 from the discount dealer I use and I doubt you're going to find it anywhere but the dealer. For right now, if the car cold starts, I wouldn't worry about it.
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I have been wondering if it's to the solenoid, I noticed it last night when it was getting dark out. Luckily I'll be getting the car up in the air tonight so I can walk beneath it. I will check it then.

If that heater plate is dead, can I just exchange it for the one on my 4 cylinder?
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This reply was in a wrong thread. Stupid me!
Edited by StevieC, Jan 14 2010, 12:39 PM.
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This is a picture of the dangling connector. :D (note: inside the cover is a ring type connector)

Does it look like it belongs to the solenoid?
Edited by StevieC, Jan 14 2010, 12:40 PM.
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It is not a real clear pic. On mine the little wire on the solinoid uses a flat slice on blade. congrats on the new Metro
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StevieC
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Pretty sure it's the cable to the starter. We checked down there and there isn't even a starter on the engine!!! lol

So tomorrow we will be removing the starter from the 4 cylinder and sticking it to the 3 cylinder. I've also just about finished rewiring my headlights with relays. Oh boy are they bright!
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Duct tape heals all wounds

Congrats on the find :thumb No starter connected :hmm I wonder if there is a story for that one :lol
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No doubt there is. It doesn't have an accessory belt. My guess is one day it wouldn't start, the starter clicked and then began the great surgery to remove the starter. Had they only charged the battery...
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Yep, to bad. ^o)
Lots of reasons for shorting the electronics.... I just recharged the battery on the Wife's '96 and it's been great since... B-)
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Victory is mine!!!!

Glad you seem to have found the problem. I can see it now. He looks down the motor and .... huh.
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